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Michael Stuart
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.09.2020

Jul 28 @ 7:34 PM ET
Michael Stuart: Lightning Ink Point to Long-Term Extension, Sign Multiple Depth Pieces
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jul 28 @ 7:36 PM ET
The Seabrook trade was the best thing for the Bolts! Now you need Boychuk for a perfet pairing!!!
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 7:53 PM ET
Wait until Seabrook makes a miraculous comeback for the playoffs!

Point deserved every penny. Dude is a bonafide boss. The definition of "clutch". You look up "game breaker" in the hockey dictionary and there is a photo of Point.
Rsh
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.23.2021

Jul 28 @ 7:56 PM ET
To the bolts gm please school the sabres gm on how to be a successful gm! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:02 PM ET
To the bolts gm please school the sabres gm on how to be a successful gm! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Rsh

I bet the LTIR rules will be a hot topic of debate the next time the CBA is renegotiated.

Seriously, the Lighthing were one of the only teams who wanted to change the rules after the 2015 Patrick Kane episode. Nobody else was interested. Now, the tables have turned.

I've been saying it - fans of opposing teams shouldn't be hating on the Lightning for exploiting loopholes in the CBA, they should be questioning why their own GM's aren't doing the same thing. There is no shortage of LTIR contracts in the league. Everyone could get in on this.
GPerogie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hightstown, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 28 @ 8:08 PM ET
PEB will be loved in Tampa. He does not take shifts off, is positionally sound and defensively responsible. We've missed him in Philly since Vegas drafted him Great pickup for Tampa.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 28 @ 8:21 PM ET
I'd like to see what the 2023-24 Tampa Bay salary structure looks like after they give extensions to Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak.
Michael Stuart
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.09.2020

Jul 28 @ 8:23 PM ET
I'd like to see what the 2023-24 Tampa Bay salary structure looks like after they give extensions to Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak.
- tkecanuck341


People used to say this a couple years ago with respect to Kucherov, Point, and Vasilevskiy. Plenty of time to get it figured out one way or the other.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 8:25 PM ET
JBB should take a vacation now. He's earned it. 👍
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 8:26 PM ET
PEB will be loved in Tampa. He does not take shifts off, is positionally sound and defensively responsible. We've missed him in Philly since Vegas drafted him Great pickup for Tampa.
- GPerogie

Underrated player.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 8:28 PM ET
I bet the LTIR rules will be a hot topic of debate the next time the CBA is renegotiated.

Seriously, the Lighthing were one of the only teams who wanted to change the rules after the 2015 Patrick Kane episode. Nobody else was interested. Now, the tables have turned.

I've been saying it - fans of opposing teams shouldn't be hating on the Lightning for exploiting loopholes in the CBA, they should be questioning why their own GM's aren't doing the same thing. There is no shortage of LTIR contracts in the league. Everyone could get in on this.

- GalacticStone

Tampa is just better at exploiting the Cap than other teams are. I'm also surprised teams don't do it more often.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:29 PM ET
I'd like to see what the 2023-24 Tampa Bay salary structure looks like after they give extensions to Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak.
- tkecanuck341

I will consult my crystal ball for some wild guesses. If all three of those players continue on their current trajectory, I imagine that Serg will get something in the neighborhood of 6m or 7m, Cirelli will get the Palat/Johnson/Gourde deal at about 6m, and Cernak will get about 5m. Term, who knows. Probably too much term and too many NTC's get thrown around.

How they will make this work will look like how it is working now. An untouchable core of elite players remains locked up and a rotating cast of bargain plugs and promising rookies will fill out the holes. Tax breaks and players taking discounts will continue, and the exploitation of LTIR will likely continue.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:31 PM ET
Tampa is just better at exploiting the Cap than other teams are. I'm also surprised teams don't do it more often.
- gergeswillems

Maybe now they will. Lots of LTIR contracts out there waiting to change hands. It's the only way under the current cap to keep an elite roster together.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 28 @ 8:35 PM ET
I will consult my crystal ball for some wild guesses. If all three of those players continue on their current trajectory, I imagine that Serg will get something in the neighborhood of 6m or 7m, Cirelli will get the Palat/Johnson/Gourde deal at about 6m, and Cernak will get about 5m. Term, who knows. Probably too much term and too many NTC's get thrown around.

How they will make this work will look like how it is working now. An untouchable core of elite players remains locked up and a rotating cast of bargain plugs and promising rookies will fill out the holes. Tax breaks and players taking discounts will continue, and the exploitation of LTIR will likely continue.

- GalacticStone


If your contract values hold true, then Tampa will have 9 players taking up $71M in cap space. That leaves somewhere between $10-14M in cap space to sign the 14 remaining players, depending on if the flat cap holds or not.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 28 @ 8:37 PM ET
JBB should take a vacation now. He's earned it. 👍
- gergeswillems


If JBB wins a 3rd Cup in a row, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's on top and leave the cap problems for someone else.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:37 PM ET
If your contract values hold true, then Tampa will have 9 players taking up $71M in cap space. That leaves somewhere between $10-14M in cap space to sign the 14 remaining players, depending on if the flat cap holds or not.
- tkecanuck341

All of this assumes the cap goes up. If it doesn't, things will get a little nuts. Robidas Island might get crowded.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:38 PM ET
If JBB wins a 3rd Cup in a row, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's on top and leave the cap problems for someone else.
- tkecanuck341

I bet every GM in the league is pissed at Bowman in Chicago right now.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 8:42 PM ET
All of this assumes the cap goes up. If it doesn't, things will get a little nuts. Robidas Island might get crowded.
- GalacticStone

You get Robidas Seabrook for 3 years! 🤣
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:45 PM ET
You get Robidas Seabrook for 3 years! 🤣
- gergeswillems



Seriously though, I mean there are roster limits and minimum amount of skaters needed to fill out an active roster. A team can only exile so many players to Robidas Island. So putting too many players on that island risks leaving the active roster short if a rash of injuries happens. Or, at least that's my limited understanding on how that poop works.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 8:45 PM ET
If JBB wins a 3rd Cup in a row, I wouldn't be surprised to see him quit while he's on top and leave the cap problems for someone else.
- tkecanuck341

It's funny how all I heard was "Tampa can't trade Johnson! It'll cost 4 firsts and your best 2 prospects and Sergachev plus Cernak and and...blood!" Because reasons!

JBB trades him for the Seabrook zombie contract. Gives up a 2nd and says eat my Stanley Cup silver Polish. 🤣
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Supercharged engine powered by high octane butthurt
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 8:47 PM ET
It's funny how all I heard was "Tampa can't trade Johnson! It'll cost 4 firsts and your best 2 prospects and Sergachev plus Cernak and and...blood!" Because reasons!

JBB trades him for the Seabrook zombie contract. Gives up a 2nd and says eat my Stanley Cup silver Polish. 🤣

- gergeswillems

Pretty much exactly how it played out.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 28 @ 8:57 PM ET
I bet every GM in the league is pissed at Bowman in Chicago right now.
- GalacticStone


They started it with the Kane Loophole.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
They started it with the Kane Loophole.
- tkecanuck341

All so Chicago could acquire C Andrew Vermette for the playoffs. Hawks said Kane wouldn't be back until "Conference Final at the earliest!" I still took Kane in my playoff pool. Everyone laughed at me. I said "you're not buying this crap are ya's?"

Needless to say I won my playoff pool and enjoyed my 500 bucks. 🤣
Dick N Cider
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jul 28 @ 9:21 PM ET
It's funny how all I heard was "Tampa can't trade Johnson! It'll cost 4 firsts and your best 2 prospects and Sergachev plus Cernak and and...blood!" Because reasons!

JBB trades him for the Seabrook zombie contract. Gives up a 2nd and says eat my Stanley Cup silver Polish. 🤣

- gergeswillems


Traded Johnson and a 2nd and gained almost $12mil in cap space, brilliant!
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 28 @ 9:39 PM ET
If your contract values hold true, then Tampa will have 9 players taking up $71M in cap space. That leaves somewhere between $10-14M in cap space to sign the 14 remaining players, depending on if the flat cap holds or not.
- tkecanuck341

They will be fine. There's always a handful of dumb GMs to help teams free cap up.
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